Letter of Report for the 2004 July 04 East Kingdom Internal Letter of Intent

Lewis Tanzos
blue.tyger@eastkingdom.org

04 September 2004

Unto the East Kingdom College of Heralds and all others who do receive this letter, greetings from Tanczos Istvan, who is no longer Eastern Crown Herald, but is still doing decisions for the internal letters he issued as Eastern Crown.

This LoR contains decisions based on the ILoI issued on 04 July 2004 and has 35 numbered items. Commentary was received from: Sabine Berard , Knut, Arval Benicoeur, Istvan, Klaus Golden Gryphon and group (including Margaret Pallet, Caitlin Shepherd's Crook, Shi Hua Fu, Sabine Berard, Eleni of Carolingia), Ailis Sinking Tower, Lyle FitzWilliam, Cateline la souriete (with John fitzArnulf de Lithia), and Eve Chesterfield. Thanks again for the work you all have done trying to document everything on this letter!

As usual, text from the Letter of Intent is in boldface, decision and discussion from this letter is in normal text following the ILoI text.

In service,

Istvan, no longer Eastern Crown

1 Adolphus Xavier Benner (M) - New Name Withdrawn By Submitter

No major changes. Submitter wishes his name to be changed to be authentic for an unspecified time period. Adolphus: Talan Gwynek's "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" ( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/bahlow_v.html ) dates 'Adolfus' to 1315. While this is not the exact spelling desired, German regularly switches 'ph', 'f' and 'ff': the same document gives 'Christoff' 1435, 1488, 1596; 'Christoph' 1351, 1480; and 'Cristof' 1454. Also 'Steffan' 1345-1508 and 'Stephan' 1387-1405. Xavier: According to the article 'Concerning the Names Xavier, Javier, and the Like' by Lyle FitzWilliam and Arval Benicoeur ( http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/xavier.shtml ) the name 'Xavier' or 'Javier' was originally a place name in Navarre, used as a locative surname by the saint Francisco Javier among others (Britannica Online, also De Atienza, Juan, Nobilario Espal (Madrid: Aguilar SA, 1954).). Both 'Javier' and 'Xavier' are acceptable spellings, as the 'J' and 'X' were interchangeable. Benner dated to 1432 in Bahlow's German Names s.n. 'Benner' p. 36: 'Joh. Benner' 1432.

The submitter gave us new forms as "Adolphus Benner" at Pennsic, appanrently due to the issues with Xavier and combining the Spanish and German names, so we are considering this submission withdrawn.

2 Aldwyn de Lancashire (M) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Per pale sable and vert, a chevron between three lions rampant argent.

No major changes. Submitter desires 14th century English language/culture. Aldwyn is from Withycombe, p 12. 'Aldwin: Old English Ealdwine...it survived the conquest and was not uncommon in the middle ages.' Submitter prefers the spelling 'Aldwyn'. Given the interchangability of y/i in English period spelling (vis, the various spellings of 'Aylwin', op. cit. p 39), this is a plausible variation. de Lancashire from R&W, p 270. s.n. Lancashire, Lankshear, Lankshire gives a 'Richard de Lancastreschire' in 1387 and a 'Robert Lancashire' in 1604.

Note also that Selten (The Anglo-Saxon Heritage in Middle English Personal Names) p77 under Ealdwine dates Ricardus Aldwyn to 1379.

3 Anna Dauzzano da Siracusa (F) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Argent, a dolphin naiant sable within a bordure gules

Anna from Arval's "Feminine Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427" ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto ), in the list of names which appear fewer than 5 times, and also in the alphabetical list, shown as appearing once. Dauzzano is a surname, appearing in the Catasto ( http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/catasto/overview.html ). It appears to be part of the list of households with over 10,000 Florins or more total wealth in 1427, but the URL is partially cut off. ( perhaps http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/catasto/newsearch/M1427w.html ? ). They appear third on the list, which says "SS Scala 50869" di Syracusae from Mercator's Place Names of Italy in 1554 by Maridonna Benvenuti ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/maridonna/mercator/ ). On the 'Southern Italy' page ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/maridonna/mercator/south.html ) , there is a "Syracusae *" listed as being "Town/City: Modern Syracuse".

Submitted as Anna Dauzzano da Syracusae, we have placed the locative into Italian, rather than the Latin form that Mercator's uses.

4 Arthur Lovell (M) - New Name Forwarded

Arthur taken from Talan's Men's Given Names from Early 13th Century England ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng13/eng13m.html ), which lists Arthur as a given name which appears twice in the data. Lovell from Faire Names for English Folk: Late Sixteenth Century English Names ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/christian/fairnames/ ).

Note that Talan's article also appears at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/eng13/eng13m.html , which does not require photocopies.

5 Ascelinne de Chambord - Resub Device Change Forwarded

Argent, a chevron sable between three unicorns' heads couped azure.

Her name was registered in Nov 2003, via the East. This submission originally returned on the Nov 2003 LoAR: Conflict with James of Riverhold (registered in October 2003), Argent, a chevron sable between in chief two mermaids each maintaining a sword and in base a crescent azure. There is only one CD for changing the type of the secondary charge group around the chevron. This resubmission includes a letter of permission to conflict from James of Riverhold.

There are no other known conflicts than James of Riverhold, who has given permission to conflict.

6 Benjamin d'Orb (M) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Returned

Argent, on a fillet cross formy(?) gules between two crossbows in chief and two cinquefoils in base azure a heart Or.

No major changes. No documentation is provided.

Submitted as Benjamin de L'Orb Commenters were able to document the given name as a Jewish name: Benjamin is listed in Jewish Naming Conventions in Angevin England by Eleazar ha-Levi ( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/jewish.html ), which dates it to between 1100 and 1290.

Morlet, D.E. Noms de Famille... SN:Orbet is listed as an orthographical variant of Orbay, a diminutive of d'Orb, meaning the person is blind. Alternately, it means 'obscure/dark', representing a particular characteristic of a house.

There are several issues with the device.

First, the form used is not a standard form. Laurel requires the standard, approved, form be used or the submission will be administratively returned. Do not change the shape of the escutcheon. This, in itself, is reason for return.

Secondly, the cross is not a particularly recognizable style of cross. One commenter called it a 'fillet cross formy'. In any case, it is drawn way too thin, especially if one wishes to place a recognizable tertiary (like a heart Or) on it.

Next, the device has a complexity count of eight (Argent, gules, azure, Or, cross, crossbow, cinquefoil, heart). This is the absolute limit for complexity, and Laurel can return items which are not particularly good period style for having this complexity count. Since this submission has other problems, it is likely that it would be returned for this reason at Laurel.

Lastly, and this is a style issue, it would be better style if the secondaries were all crossbows or all cinquefoils. This is not a problem by itself, but nearly all secondary groups were of homogenous types until late in period.

7 Bois Ardent, Canton of - Resub Group Name Forwarded & Resub Device Forwarded

Or, within a laurel wreath a tree vert and on a chief rayonny gules a natural salamander reguardant incensed argent

This is a resubmission of the same name, returned for lack of documentation on the 2002-02 Eastern Internal Letter of Report. The armory was originally pended at that time. This is being submitted as meaning 'Ardent's Woods'. Ardentes from Dauzat & Rostaing's Noms de Lieux de la France, s.n. Ardentes. Latin person's name Ardentius, the Christian name, or 'de ardens, ardent', a surname. Dated to 1095 as 'Ardentia'. Or maybe Indre. Bois under that header in same. Constructions of this type are documented as the following: "Bois d'Arcy" (named after somebody named 'de Arcicio', 1276). "Bois Arnault" (1125, named after Boscus Ernaldi). "Bois Bernard" (1162, named after Nemus Bernardi). A valid petition is attached for both the name and armory. Please re-check the armory.

This time, the group name has some reasonably believable documentation. There were some issues with whether the name actually meant what was claimed on the ILoI. D&R tells us there is a modern place 'Ardentes' in Indre (one of the departments of France), recorded in 1095 in the Latin form 'Ardentia'. D&R are not sure of the derivation, and suggests that it may be from a hypothetical Latin masculine given name (the asterisk before the name means that it is hypothetical) 'Ardentius', which is turn could derive from 'ardens' "ardent".

Thankfully, Morlet, D.E. Noms de Famille, p47, SN:Ardent. says lists this name as a sobriquet, representing the past participle form of the verb ardere(to burn). No dates are given, unfortunately.

8 Caera Cruitire ingen Uaithne (F) - Resub Change of Holding Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Azure, a cauldron and in chief three harps Or.

No major changes. Submitter desires unspecified meaning. Documentation is from a letter from Tigernach mac Eóghain ua Áeda, Opinicus Pursuivant of the Middle. Ceara is submitter's mundane legal name. Note that no proof of this is provided. We probably have a copy of the driver's license from the previous submission in the files, so we'll see if we can pull that. Also mentioned is OCM, s.n. 'Cera, Ceara' for 'similar sounding' names - 'Ciar', 'Ciarnat', and 'Ciarnait'. Cruitire is a byname meaning 'harper', and is found in the Chronicon Scotorum in 634. No photocopy is attached, we are merely given the URL: http://celt.ucc.ie/published/G100016/text057.html Uaithne from OCM s.n. Uaithne. It lists it as both a masculine and feminine name, and shows that it was used throughout period. In 982, a petty king of Limerick went by this name. In the later middle ages, it was used by the O'Rourke's, McLaoughlins, O'Reillys, O'Hanlys, and several others, including the O'Callaghans. http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/

Name change from Caera of Carolingia. There is some question if this name is currently all of one temporal piece, or needs to be changed slightly to match itself. Gaelic experts can do what they need to at Laurel with the temporal issue, lenition, etc.

9 Cristobal Ordonez de Burgos (M) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Returned

Gules, a weasel rampant maintaining a two-handed axe within a bordure and on a chief Or, two pairs of axes in saltire sable.

Submitter desires 11th Century Spanish time period, language, and culture, and cares most about language/culture if it must be changed. Documentation is from St. Gabriel Report 2855. Gabriel finds one instance of Cristobal used as a given name in Castille between 1150 and 1160 (Menedez-Pidal, Ramon, Crestomatía del Español Medieval, Madrid: 1971). They also find instances of it being used as a byname in the late 11th Century: 'gartia Cristuebal' 1069; 'Sanzio Cristobal' 1079; 'Munnio Christobal' 1081. These are from Diez Melcon, R. P. Gonzalo, Apellidos Castellano-Leoneses: Siglos IX-XIII, ambos inclusive. s.n. Christophorus. Ordonez ("from Ordono") is also on the Gabriel report, taken from El Cid (Poem of the Cid, ed. Ramón Menéndez Pidal, trans. W. S. Merwin, New York, Meridian, 1975 [1959]). Documentation for 'Burgos' is from O'Callaghan, Joseph F: A History of Medieval Spain, Cornell, NY, Cornell University Press 1975, 4th printing 1992. This shows a map: 'Spain at the death of Fernando I, 1065.' Burgos is a city in Castile, near the center of the western border with Leon. No documentation has been provided for the use of two locative bynames in a single name, especially in the 11th Century.

We note that Ordonez is not a locative byname as was stated in the Internal Letter of Intent. It is the genitive form of the name Ordono. Burgos, specifically 'de Burgos', can be found in Diez-Melcon, section 214, p.241, s.n. Burgos: Uela Fierz de Burgos dated 959. This also shows the pattern used in this name: Given, Patronymic, Locative.

For the device, we must consider this precedent:

Tómas Skotakollr. Device. Azure, a lion statant in chief two mullets, in base a point pointed, all within a bordure Or. Normally we do not allow a base and a bordure of the same tincture, see the return of the device of Isabel of Biconyll, Or, a beacon sable flamed gules atop a mount vert, a bordure vert semy of oak leaves Or., 3/94, where Laurel said "The mount has zero contrast with the bordure, making the base of the device very confusing visually..." However, since that was not mentioned in the previous return, and since the submitter complied with the redraw called for in the return, this is being registered to the submitter. This does not however permit the use of a base or chief of the same color as the bordure.
- LoAR 08/96 A-Trimaris

The submitted device has a bordure and a chief in the same color, which is explicitly forbidden by this precedent. Additionally, the critter was not particularly recognizable as a weasel. Lastly, the halberd is blurring the line between maintained and sustained slightly. It should either be smaller, which would not count for difference, or larger, about the same size top to bottom as the critter, where it would be considered a co-primary.

10 Cristoforo Donatello dei Visconti (M) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Returned

Purpure, a plate between three bees in pall heads to center Or all within a bordure of three angles each composed of two needles, one needle of each pair having its point enfiled of the eye of the other.

No major changes. No documentation provided. I have no idea how to blazon the needles, either.

Submitted as Cristofor Donatello di Visconti, we have changed to the form the Italians used to indicate a collateral connection to a wealthy family. 'di' would be the patronymic form, not appropriate here. We have also picked a documentable given name.

No documentation was provided. Here is some documentation: Cristoforo is taken from the Online Tratte, from the page on variant spellings: http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/TLNAM1VAR.html It is also in the variants found in Tre Maggiori, also found with the Tratte: http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/Navar.html

Donatiello is found in Emidio de Felice's Dizionario Dei Cognomi Italiani, s.n. Donato. Donato can be found in the Tratte, as well. ( http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/TLNAME1.html)

Visconti is also a header name found in Cognomi. We were partially incorrect on the Internal Letter of Intent. The name is derived from the title 'Viscount', but does not necessarily imply that the bearer actually is one.

The position of these needles is not blazonable. The Rules for Submission require that armory be blazonable, and that a competent heraldic artist should be able to re-create a heraldically identical emblazon from the generated blazon. We do not feel that this is possible with the current arrangement of the needles. It is also not at all period heraldic style.

11 Deiniol filius Gwrgwst - Resub Device Forwarded

Vert, three dice argent between flaunches checky Or and sable

Previous device returned for a redraw at Laurel on the November 2003 LoAR: The dice are drawn in a non-period style, with one edge forward: "While dice were shown in perspective, the known period examples depicted them face forward, rather than edge forward. This minimizes the effect of perspective. Therefore, we must return this device for redrawing" (LoAR of April 2000). The new submission has fixed this problem.

12 Dragonet - Resub to Kingdom Group Name Returned

Care most about meaning: 'young or small dragon'. The previous submission of this name was returned at kingdom for lack of documentation. The current submission attaches several pages proving that people in period believed in the existence of dragons. What they do not show is that there was anywhere in period named 'Dragonet', or any reasonable case for the possibility. This will therefore be returned unless somebody in the CoH can manage to document it as a plausible period place name. It will also be returned for two other reasons: First, there is no group designator. There MUST be a group designator, such as 'shire', 'barony', etc. Secondly, the herald of record is not a warranted herald. Brigantia policy requires all submissions to pass through a warranted herald before reaching Eastern Crown. Note that there's a nice piece called "On the origins of dragons" attached. Nice, scholarly document. It says nothing about whether places in period were named this, ever. Note that there's a fantastic petition attached which is perfectly acceptable.

It is suggested that the group consider the place names Dragey, Drachenbronn, or Draguignan, all of which appear, dated, in Dauzat & Rostaing's 'Noms de Lieux'. Drachenbronn apparently means 'Source of Dragons'. Note that the word 'source' in this instance should actually be translated 'spring'.

According to Academy of St. Gabriel report #1055, Dragonet is a documentable given name. Arval (who provided the above documentation) states that 'Chastel Dragonet' (Dragonet's Castle) could be a likely documentable form in combination with this, following the pattern of several dozen examples in Dauzat & Rostaing's Noms de Lieux de France s.n. Chateau, section 2, like Chastel Chalon 1342, Castelachart c.1172, and Chateau Girard 1255. Note that the given name has nothing to do with Dragons.

We can't simply do 'Shire of Dragonet', even with the given name, because there's no record of places in France having been named directly after a person with no other indication.

Alternately, Laurel has declared 'Dragon' to be an SCA-compatible place-name element, so the group could create a place name based on that.

13 Edmund Patterson (M) - New Name Forwarded

No major changes. Edmund from Goodwyn's "English Names from Pre-1600 Brass Inscriptions" ( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/ ) dates the name to 1428. Also, Talan Gwynek's article "Late 16th Century English Given Names" ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng16/eng16alpha.html ) lists 72 instances of Edmund. Patterson from R&W s.n. "Patterson, Paterson" gives "Patersoun" in 1499. The citation also notes that "Pattison" is related. Submitter prefers the spelling "Patterson". Given that Pattison is likely related, Julie Stampnitzky's "Surnames in Durham and Northumberland, 1521-1615" is also attached. ( http://www.yucs.org/~jules/names/parish/surnames_pq.html ) This dates Pattison to 1493, 1588, 1558, 1586, 1581, 1585, 1567, 1582, 1572, 1598, 1599, 1600, and many other dates in the 1601-1608 range. Note that it also gives the name Paterson, dated to 1599.

Black p649 under Paterson dates George Paterson to 1569 and Alexander Patersone to 1591. There do not appear to have been two T's used in the name in period, but we're leaving them in, hoping somebody with better sources can document them at Laurel.

Talan's article is on the Laurel website, which does not require photocopies. http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/eng16/eng16.html .

14 Edwen Brewestere (F) - New Name Forwarded

No major changes. Cares most about unspecified sound/meaning. Desires authenticity for English 13-14th C language/culture. Edwen from Talan Gwynek's "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary Of English Surnames", in the "Index of names attested before 1250: B to E" section. ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/index_early2.html ) Brewestere, meaning 'woman Brewer', found in the "Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames". The photocopy does document the spelling and meaning to 1308.

Note that the article appears on the Laurel website: at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyAG.html which does not require photocopies. Also, the surname is from Reaney and Wilson, which does not require photocopies.

15 Eibhlín ingean uí Choileáin - New Device Forwarded

Argent, a sheaf of a needle inverted and two arrows gules between flaunches azure.

This name was registered in August of 2002 (via the East).

The device is clear of that of Plattefordham, Shire of (November 1991, via the Outlands): Argent, masoned sable, in pale a sheaf of arrows, banded and a laurel wreath gules between flaunches azure. with a CD for the addition of the laurel wreath and a CD for the masoning. There is no CD for changing the type of a single charge in a group of three charges (the sheaf).

16 Einar Ulfson - Appeal Device Forwarded

Sable, a schnecke issuant from sinister chief Or.

This was returned at kingdom on the February 2003 LoR: Sable, a schnecke issuant from sinister chief Or. This conflicts with Damian Thorvaldsson (Feb 1994, Ansteorra) Sable, a gurges Or. Laurel precedent says: There is clearly a CD between a schnecke and a gurges, but the consensus of the commentary and those attending the meeting that RfS X.2. does not apply between them. (Peter Schneck, 5/96 p. 20) As such, there is only a single CD between the two devices. This appeal is apparently based on the following statement, written by the submitting herald: I have discussed this decision with the client and with Pantheon [an EK Regional Education deputy Herald]. We believe that this is a wrong conclusion on several points. First it is simple heraldry so it only needs one CD of difference, second say that in effect that the gurges and schnecke are the same is similar to deciding that quarterly and checky conflict. Looking at the example of a gurges in 'A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry' by James Parker the gold spiral of the gurges would have to be appear to be curving in the opposite direction of the curl of the schenecke in this arms. It is also clear of Peter Schneck - Sable, a schnecke issuant from the dexter chief argent. As such, we believe that this device is clear of all conflicts would ask that you accept it and register it as is. The EK College of Heralds will not be supporting this opinion unless somebody comes up with some really spectacular documentation. First, we would like to know what rule they're quoting. Difference in the SCA is based on three concepts: X.1: Addition or removal of primary X.2: Complete change of primary X.4: Two CD's. 1 and 4 clearly do not apply in this case, so apparently, they're referring to #2. This is, in fact, simple armory, with only one charge on the field in either case. The precedent cited in the original return, though, states that there is only a CD between them, not the Substantial difference required for X.2. From the RETURNS section of the 5/96 LoAR: Peter Schneck. Device. Sable, a schnecke issuant from dexter chief Or. Conflict with Damian Thorvaldsson, Sable, a gurges Or. There is clearly a CD between a schnecke and a gurges, but the consensus of the commentary and those attending the meeting that RfS X.2. does not apply between them. In other words, this issue has already been decided once, the original return that set the precedent being effectively identical to the current submission. The appeal's argument about the direction of the spiral is moot, since a gurges can also be depicted as concentric annulets. See Foster's Dictionary of Heraldry - Feudal Coats of Arms and Pedigrees on p. 156, there's a very interesting depiction of the arms of Sir Thomas Peche, blazoned as Ermine, a gorge gules, which is taken from the Ashmole Roll. It is depicted as a white field, three concentric rings of red, an ermine spot in dexter chief, one in sinister chief, and three spots, arranged two-and-one, in base. There is another on p 95, the arms of Robert Gifford, from the Dering Roll: Argent, a cross engrailed sable and overall a gorge azure., with the gorge again being depicted as concentric rings. There is also another issue. Three colored and three black-and-white copies have been required for well over three years now by Brigantia policy. The herald of record has been repeatedly notified of this, and has not chosen to change. We would be entirely in our rights to return this for improper paperwork.

The East Kingdom College of Heralds is not supporting this appeal, and are fully expecting it to be returned at Laurel.

There were several administrative issues with this submission. Laurel, when asked, stated that any of those issues were individually sufficient reason for return. The only reason that this is being forwarded is so that the East doesn't have to deal with it again.

The argument in the appeal is based on a misunderstanding of the Rules for Submission -- there is no rule that states that one CD clears conflict. The only rule that allows one change to be acceptable is X.2. That rule states that substantial difference in type of the primary charge is required. The quoted precedent that was used in the original return (5/96, for the device of Peter Schneck, a return against Damian Thorvaldsson) states that a schecke versus a gurges is only a CD, that there is not the substantial change to type required for X.2.

Also, the appeal is very poorly written. Claims are made, but no evidence is provided to back them up. Unsupported allegations go directly against the two guidelines of the college: Semper Litteris Mandate (Always get it in writing) and Non Scriptum Non Est (If it's not written down, it doesn't exist). If an appeal tries to use the argument that there's a rule that requires only one CD to clear conflict, the rule should be quoted in full.

The only way this will pass is if Laurel decides to overturn the precedent and state that the two charges are substantially different, as required by X.2. Since no supporting evidence was presented in the appeal for overturning it, this is not likely to happen.

17 Emeline Patterson (F) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Purpure, a crane close and on a chief embattled argent three mullets of eight points vert.

No major changes. Emeline from R&W, this spelling dated to 1422. Also cites Talan's article "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames" from the Laurel site ( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyintro.html ) . Also from Aryanhwy merch Catmael's "16th Century Names From Ormskirk Parish Registers." ( http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/ormskirk/ - PCA) Forms listed are Emlyn, Emlin, Emllin, Emlyn, Emline, Emblin, Emie, Emlyne, and Enlin. Patterson from R&W s.n. "Patterson, Paterson" gives "Patersoun" ni 1499. Citation notes that "Pattison" is related. Submitter prefers the spelling "Patterson". Given that Pattison is likely related, Julie Stampnitzky's "Surnames in Durham and Northumberland, 1521-1615" is also attached. ( http://www.yucs.org/~jules/names/parish/surnames_pq.html ) This dates Pattison to 1493, 1588, 1558, 1586, 1581, 1585, 1567, 1582, 1572, 1598, 1599, 1600, and many other dates in the 1601-1608 range. Note that it also gives the name Paterson, dated to 1599.

Note that the embattlements need to be drawn bolder.

18 Gaufrid Kelson von Heidelberg (M) - New Name Change Forwarded

No major changes. Old name Gaufrid Kelson Blacksword. von is the German locative. Heidelberg is a city in modern Germany, site of a 13th Century castle and university, founded in 1368. A printout from britannica.org is attached. It states that Heidelberg was "first mentioned in historical record in 1196... it is the site of the 13th-century Heidelberg Castle ... and of the university of Heidelberg (1386), the oldest university in Germany." Remainder of name is grandfathered to submitter. The pattern is documented this way: "The pattern [name] + [name] + [locative] is registerable in the SCA based on existing College of Arms precedents. See Annalies Maria von Marburg, LoAR 09/01, A-Caid. and Marie Suzanne of Westphalia, LoAR 09/01, A-Calontir."

Since a combination English-German name is only considered a single step from period practice, this name is allowed.

19 Geneviére d'Alsace (F) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Azure, semy of estoiles Or, a chevron between three martlets all within a bordure argent.

No major changes. Submitter will accept alternates to the given name as 'Genevere' or 'Gennevere' by preference. Documentation is ... very thick. First, there is a letter which is the actual documentation. They are documenting the given name this way, which appears to be a summary of an email from Tanczos Istvan, Eastern Crown Herald: Flutre, Louis-Fernand. Table des Noms Propres avec toutes leurs Variantees Figurant dans les Romans du Moyen Ages Écrits en Français ou en Provençal et Actuellement Publiés ou Analysés . Centre D'Études Supérieures de Civilisation Médiévale. (Poitiers, France: 1962.) Genevre appears on page 88. "Istvan's translation of the first few sentences:" Genere, -nievre, Guenievre. First child of the King Leodegan of Carmelide and of the (reine?.. Queen?) his wife, the spouse of King Arthur. Variant forms given in the (many) manuscript citations are Geneievre, Geneuvre, GHenevre, Genievre, Guenievre, Gennevere, Genevre, Genuevre, Gennoivre, Genoivre, Genovre, Giennevre, Ginevor, Ginevre, Gonovre, Gonuevre, Gunore, Wennore, Ganhumare, Gaienievre, Genavre, Yenevre, and more. Says Istvan: "There are also mentions of other people with this name in the works cited. Among them, the bastard daughter of the king Leodgean and the wife of his seneschal Cleodalis, the daughter of the hermit Pergamon, wife of Sados. Another; the mother of the wife of King Arthur.; Another the sister of the count Alvaro d'Albara, wife of Jehan de Cerise. No dates, but these are all taken from medieval romances." Genevre also appears on page 113 (of Flutre) as a variant of Jenievre. The complete citation is: "Jenievre, Hem; Lanc. pr. 290, 7; Merl. S. 244, 15; Proph. M. v. Genevre." There is some evidence of real people using this spelling: * Princess Anne Geneviére de Bourbon-Condé of Neuchâtel (Switzerland) (1619-1679). * Jean de Beaumont en Gâtinais, Seigneur de Sainte Genevi{e`}re, died 1295. * A personal geneaology site for a family in Montreuil lists among their ancestors a Denis Savard, who married Genevi{e`}re Chauvin in the 1500s. The same site discusses a Genevi{e`}re Thubye who was living in 1626. In light of the above, the submitter believes that the submitted name is a plausible period spelling. OK, that's a summary of the documentation sheet that was attached. Now, the docs. A printout from http://www.britannica.com which documents Alsace. It is three pages long, and says that the Romans under Julius Caesar conquered it in the first century BC, but has nothing whatsoever that tells us when the place was first called that. A printout of the website "Women In Power" with the URL cut off. Pages 1, 3, and 4. On page 3-4 is the information about Soverign Princess Anne Genevi{e`}re de Bourbon-Condé of Neuchâtel. A printout of the "Armorial Wijnbergen. Francois. Part 1" http://www.briantimms.com/wijnbergen/wnfrancois1.htm , 14 pages long. Page 4 gives the armory of "Jehan de biaumont" (Gironne d'argent et de gueules.), with the subtitle "Jean de Beaumont en Gâtinais, Seigneur de Sainte Genviére, died 1295. Considering that the emblazon next to it is 'Dark, an orle of martlets light', I do not believe that it's trustworthy. A 4-page printout of "European Rolls of Arms of the Thirteenth Century 1701-1750" (those are numbers, not dates) #1736 lists one Jehan de Beaumont en Gâtinais, Seigneur de Sainte Genviére. This one has the right emblazon for the blazon it shows of 'Girony of twelve argent and gules.' Five pages from "Les origines des Savard canadiens {a`} Montreuil". http://savart.net/savart.htm I assume as an introduction, since I have no idea why these are here. 2 pages of facsimile reproductions of marriage registrations for Pierre Boudin & Jacqueline de La Haye, 20 July 1536. ( http://savart.net/bou-lah.htm). I have no idea why this is here, either. 4 pages of the "Famille de Guillaume de La Haye & Isabeau Durant" ( http://savart.net/lah-dur.htm ), which mentions the Genevi{e`}re that married this Dennis guy. There are a few more of these pages, none of which are actually acceptable documentation, because geneaologists tend to normalize spelling. The website, http://savart.net does not resolve from here. 15 pages from http://www.geocities.com/busmamma2000/dat11.html , which are more geneaology and do not count as acceptable sources.

The official website of the Region of Alsace says that the name Alsace first appears in 610 AD http://www.region-alsace.fr/v2001/alsace/uk/outils/encyclopedie/histoire.html . The Encyclopedia Britannica gives us Thierry of Alsace, Count of Flanders, 1100-1168, who took part in the Second Crusade, and his son, Philip of Alsace, who succeeded him as Count of Flanders in 1157.

20 Geoffrey Bleasdale - Resub Device Returned

Per chevron gules and sable, in dexter chief a compass rose argent, in sinister chief a moon in her plenitude argent, in base an acorn over two garbs, all Or.

Name registered in October 2003 as 'Geoffrey Blesedale'. Original device, ' Per chevron inverted azure and vert, a goutte Or issuant from the base of the division.', returned on the East's 2002-September LoR: The device is not on the proper paperwork, and is being returned for administrative reasons. No full-size emblazons were provided, no black-and-white emblazons were provided. These are required for a submission to be processed. Also, it is in conflict with a badge for Iulstan Sigewealding (July, 1991 via the West): "(Fieldless) A goutte d'Or". There is a single CD for fieldless, but no CD for placement against a fieldless badge.

While this device is on the proper paperwork, there is another issue. The Rules for Submission, section VIII.1.a states: 'As another guideline, three or more types of charges should not be used in the same group.' Since all the charges on this armory are in the same group, this must be returned.

21 Jeannette of Bhakail - New Device Change Forwarded

Argent, semy-de-lys azure, a chief embattled sable.

Her name was registered via the East in April of 1990. If this device passes, her old device is released.

22 Jenieve McGrail (F) - New Name Returned & New Device Returned

Quarterly vert and purpure, a unicorn rampant argent.

No major changes. There is no documentation provided.

No documentation was provided and none could be found for the given name. It may be a variant of Jenievre, one of the forms of 'Guenivere', which appears on page 113 of Louis-Fernand Flutre's, Table des Noms Propres avec Tou tes Leurs Variantes Figurant dans les Romans du Moyen Age Ecrits en Francais ou en Provencal et Actuellement Publies ou Analyses (Poitiers: Centre d'Etudes Sup erieures de Civilisation Medievale, 1962). There is no evidence that the 'r' was ever dropped.

According to George F. Black, Surnames of Scotland at 505, under the heading 'MacGrail', it is "[a]n Irish name of recent introduction. It is the colloquial form of Macneill in the dialect of Ulster and Connacht," so this is also not documentable to period.

The submitter may want to be aware of some possible variants for resubmission: Black, under the heading "MacGill", p 497-98; has dated forms including: M'Gill 1550 & 1572. Woulfe p. 401 under 'MacRéill' gives the late 16th/early 17th century anglicized forms M'Crell and M'Krell.

Given that we can only document things which are 'close', we're going to return the name so the submitter can decide what to do, rather than our picking arbitrarily.

The device is in conflict with the device of Janusch der Wasserman (January 1998, via the Middle): Azure maily Or, a unicorn salient argent. There is one CD for the change of field. Maily is treated as part of the tincture, as per the following precedent: [A field Argent, honeycombed vert, vs. a field Or ] "The field treatment here is a part of the field and not considered the addition of a group of secondaries to the field." (9/90 p.14). Note that the Rules for Submission, section X.4.a, states in part "Field treatments are considered an aspect of tincture." This submission must therefore be returned.

23 Jenne McGill - New Device Change Returned

Vert, a tree eradicated and in chief a decrescent Or.

This name was registered in March of 1999 (via the East).

Conflict with Huette Aliza von und zu Ährens und Mechthildberg, who bears Vert, a tree blasted throughout or. ( August 1979, via Caid). There is only one CD for the addition of the decrescent. Blasting and eradicating are not considered to count for difference. Also, this tree is not particularly eradicated, it could be blazoned simply as a 'tree'.

24 John Williams (M) - New Name Returned & New Device Returned

Argent, on a chevron azure three fleurs-de-lys Or and in base a stag's head caboshed gules.

No major changes. No documentation is provided.

Any documentation we might provide for the name is moot: there are mundane conflicts. John Williams, the composer, is the winner of five Academy Awards, 17 Grammys, three Golden Globes, two Emmys and five BAFTA Awards from the British Academy of Film and Television Arts. He wrote the music for Star Wars, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, the Indiana Jones trilogy, E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Jaws, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, and many more movies. There are also two gentles listed in my (older) Encyclopedia Britannica: John Williams, English archbishop, 1582-1650 and John Williams, English Nonconformist missionary, 1796-1839. There is apparently a reasonably well-known guitarist/folksinger of the same name. One of his albums is titled Diablo Suelto.

The armory violates the ban on using three gold fleurs-de-lys on blue, which is exclusively a symbol of the French royal household, and must therefore be returned. The submitter should be aware that semy-de-lys Or on an azure field is also reserved for the French royal household.

25 Kolosvari Arpadne Julia (F) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Azure, three roses one and two argent, barbed and seeded gules, slipped and leaved issuant from the center mount of a trimount vert.

No changes. The name is based off her husband's name. He is "Kolozsvári Árpád", registered November 1992, via the East. She has taken his name, and added the suffix "-né", which denotes 'Mrs'. This pattern is documented from Szabó T. Attila's Erdélyi Magyar Szótörténeti Tár (The Transylvanian Hungarian Etymological Dictionary, Vol I: A-C, Bukarest, 1976). This gives an example from 1584, p 268 under 'álom', ('dream'). 'Eotweos Peterne Anna', which is 'Anna, wife of Peter Eotweos'. Note that, as usual in period, the submitted name is spelled without diacriticals. Julia is from Kázmer Miklós' Régi Magyar családnevek szótára (Dictionary of Old Hungarian Family Names, Budapest, 1993), with one citation, which has normalized spelling: Rachay Julia, in 1551 p 880, under the heading Rácsai. Note that the modern spelling is reasonably consistent with 16th-century spelling, she gives examples from Kázmér: s.n. Mária has Maria in 1559 and s.n. Juli has 'July' in 1588 and 1599, and Julj in 1625. It is also her mundane name. Kolosvari is also from Kázmér. s.n. Kolozsvári. has Koloswari 1416, Kolosvarj 1458, Kolosuary 1588. In general, they used u, v, and w pretty interchangeably, as were i, j, and y. Árpád is the Magyar chieftain who led the Hungarians into the Carpathian Basin in 896 and founded the dynasty that ruled Hungary for 300 years. In the Hungarian Illuminated Chronicle, his name is written Arpad fili' Almus filij Eled filii Vgeg. The name was occasionally used by others: Fehértói Katalin's 'Árpád-kori kis személynévtár' (Little Name List from the Arpad Age, Budapest, 1983) p 35 shows Arpad recorded as the name of a steward in 1237-40. The submitter includes copies of all these documents, as well as her Driver's License (which does show 'Julia' as her mundane name, and her full mundane name). She also includes a copy of her marriage license (with both their full mundane names on it), a copy of Gorð er Glaði's letter to Kolozsvári Arpád (with his mundane name on it), and a copy of his membership card with both mundane and SCA name on it. (Note that the membership card means nothing, since the registry will put absolutely anything on it as the SCA name.) The submission also includes documentation for the armory. First off, there is documentation for the image of flowers with three conjoined stems as in the submitted armory There are five examples of the conjoined-flower motif, tricked. They are from Nyulásziné Straub Éva's Öt évszázad cimerei a Magyar Országos Levéltár címereslevelein (Budapest, Corvina, 1987) Also, there is documentation of a green trimount on a blue field. Of the 267 grants in the book which are from before 1600, 11 have a green trimount on a blue field, 14 have one on a red field, 26 have green mounts or bases on a blue field, and 12 have green mounts or bases on a red field. So 23.4 percent of surviving, known, period grants from Hungary have this motif in some form. She includes copies of 23 of these tricked emblazons from the book. Lastly, she has included permissison to conflict from Palotzi Marta, whose submission appears elsewhere in this letter.

Yes, this device is in violation of the rules of tincture. The submitter is obviously trying for a regional style exception, and has done her homework.

26 La Selve d'Aure, Shire of - Resub to Kingdom Group Name Forwarded

This is a resubmission of Fief des Sylves Constellées. The new name means 'the forest of Aure'. They care most about "French language/culture". There is some persona story involved here. The group would like a name that sounds like "the forest of Gold" in French. Also acceptable would be the name "La Selve Blanche" (The White Forest). All documentation from Dauzat & Rostaing's Dictionnaire étymologique des noms de lieux en France. 'Selve' (La) a header, p 651, reads Aisne (Sylva, 1257); Aveyr. (La Selva, around 11790) - From Latin sylva, Forest. 'Aure' header p 37, reads "Ardennes (Aure, 1446): Origin unclear, maybe from the Latin aura, wind." 'Bois' is also a header, p91, "Char.-Mar.; ... from early Latin Boscus, probably pre-Latin for wood, forest." The documentation then says "qualified by a topological indication: (followed by some examples); arsis can also designate a burned terrain; ..." There is a (vaild) petition attached.

Modern Aure in the Ardennes was spelled that way in 1446 (D&R, Noms de Lieux de France, s.n. Aure), so the name as a whole is solidly documented.

27 Matthew of Carlisle (M) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Returned

Vert, a pale Or, overall an arm issuant from dexter and an arm issuant from sinister argent both grasping a torch argent enflamed gules and an arm issuant from dexter base grasping a spear issuant from base argent.

If his name must be changed the submitter wishes to retain the meaning. The only documentation provided is a note that both 'Matthew' and 'Carlisle' seem to be commonly accepted according to the Armorial, and that there seems to be no conflict. The submitter includes a note which says that the arms submitted are close to, but not the same as, the 'Smith' arms and that he wishes something similar to said arms, as his mundane surname is 'Smith'. No documentation is provided as to which Smith family this is, but it is, in any case, irrelevant as long as the owner of the arms is not important enough to be in the Ordinary.

'Matthew' found dated to 1400 in Julian Goodwyn's 'Brass Enscription Index' ( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/).

'Carlisle' is found in Bardsley s.n. 'Carlisle' dates 'Thomas de Carlell' and 'Walterus de Carlhill' to 1379, 'Hugh Karlyle' to 1547, and 'Margaret Carleill' to 1598; Reaney & Wilson s.n. 'Carlisle' p. 84 dates 'Thomas de Karlisle' to 1310-11. Thus 'Carlisle' seems a reasonable period spelling, in addition to being the accepted modern one.

The Rules for Submission, section VIII.1.a states: 'As another guideline, three or more types of charges should not be used in the same group.' The overall charge group on the submitted arms is three arms, a torch, and a spear. This must therefore be returned. The submitter should note that there doesn't appear to be a way to properly blazon the overall charge group, which means this arrangement is not period style.

28 Osmond de Berwic - Resub Device Forwarded

Gules, a bear salient and in chief three broadarrows Or.

Previous submission, Gules, a bear salient Or., was returned at kingdom on the 07DEC2002 LoR for multiple conflicts, all with one CD. This resubmission has cleared all the conflicts listed at that time.

29 Palotzoi Marta (F) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Gules, three roses one and two argent barbed and seeded azure slipped and leaved issuant from the center mount of a trimount vert.

No changes. All docs from Kázmer Miklós' Régi Magyar családnevek szótára (Dictionary of Old Hungarian Family Names, Budapest, 1993). Palotzi under Palóci. Variant spelling dated in the submitted form to 1470. It is an ethnic or locative byname, meaning 'from the Palóc region.' A variant with a diacritical mark (Palótzi) is dated to 1575. Marta is the normalized spelling of the name, which appears under the following surnames (in the proper Hungarian order, surname first): Sövényházi 1529-31, Török 1579-81, Teremi 1584, Egeresi 1590, Némai 1597 and Zetelaki 1600. If the name is deemed to be too close to her mundane name, ("Martha Palotay"), she will accept 'Paloczi' (1624) or 'Paloczy' (1525, 1529, 1570, 1573). Note that 'Palotay' has four syllables, 'Palóci' has only three. The submission also includes documentation for the armory. First off, there is documentation for the image of flowers with three conjoined stems as in the submitted armory There are five examples of the conjoined-flower motif, tricked. They are from Nyulásziné Straub Éva's Öt évszázad cimerei a Magyar Országos Levéltár címereslevelein (Budapest, Corvina, 1987) Also, there is documentation of a green trimount on a blue field. Of the 267 grants in the book which are from before 1600, 11 have a green trimount on a blue field, 14 have one on a red field, 26 have green mounts or bases on a blue field, and 12 have green mounts or bases on a red field. So 23.4 percent of surviving, known, period grants from Hungary have this motif in some form. She includes copies of 23 of these tricked emblazons from the book. Lastly, she has included permission to conflict from Kolosvari Arpadne Julia, whose submission appears elsewhere in this letter.

Yes, this device is in violation of the rules of tincture. The submitter is obviously trying for a regional style exception, and has done her homework.

30 Rowen Cloteworthy (M) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Fusilly argent and sable, a chief gules.

Rowen is submitter's modern name, as attested to by a copy of his driver's license. Cloteworthy from R&W s.n. Clotworthy, which dates 'John Cloteworthy' to 1327.

31 Sergio da Verone - New Name Forwarded & New Device Returned

Or, a crossbow proper between two dragon wings elevated and displayed and a bordure invected gules.

No major changes. Desires Italian language/culture. There is no documentation provided. I would blazon this as "Or, a crossbow proper between in base a pair of dragon's wings elevated and displayed all within a bordure invected gules."

Submitted as Serego de Verone, no documentation was provided. Sergio is in de Felice's Dizionario dei Nomi Italiani as a header. Kathleen M. O'Brien (SCA: Mari El speth nic Bryan), Italian Men's Names in Rome, 1473- 1484 (v.1.1, 2003), found at: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/Studium/toc.html, gives the following examples: Domenico Calderini da Verona (standardized) 1473, 1474 Gaspare Veronese (standardized) 1473. We have changed the submitted name to match the documentation.

The 'wings' are not recognizable as dragon's wings, especially given their relationship to the crossbow and the bordure. The specific arrangement of the crossbow-and-wings is unblazonable and not reproducable from blazon, which violates RfS VII.7. The bordure is also particularly thin.

32 Smithwick, Shire of - Resub Group Name Forwarded & Resub Device Forwarded

Per chevron Or and purpure, two dragonflies and a wreath counterchanged.

Original name, 'Silva Cerdonis', and device, 'Or, a four-winged dragonfly displayed and, in base, a laurel wreath purpure.', returned on the East's 2002 September LoR: "Names of Branches must follow the patterns of period place-names" (Quoting the Rules for Submission, section III.2.b.i) Although both words may be Latin and may even be found in period documents, unless some evidence of places being named in a similar fashion in period is presented, then the documentation is useless. No such evidence was presented. Nor could commenters find any evidence. As such, we must return this name. There is an additional reason for return: submissions are required to include a branch designator as part of the name submitted. There is no such designator on the form. (One of the petitions includes a mention of the 'Shire of Sylvan Cerdonis. Please place it on the form.) The laurel wreath in this submission is not drawn correctly. Precedent states: "'A properly drawn laurel wreath should not have sufficient room between its tips to place another charge. [Darkstone, College of, 02/00, R-Middle]'; [Uma, Shire of, 10/01, R-Drachenwald]". While there's not another charge there, there is certainly part of another charge. There is also: "[Returning Or, on a hurt an eagle displayed Or and on a bordure azure a laurel wreath Or.] The laurel wreath is not, and indeed on a bordure cannot be, a wreath, which when properly drawn is nearly a closed circle. Rather, here it is 'two sprigs of laurel, stems crossed in base'. [5/94, p.15]" If changes are necessary, the groups wishes to retain the meaning, but they also wish their name to be changed to be authentic for an unspecified language/culture. 'Smithwick' is found, undated, as a 'lost or unidentified place name' in Smith's 'English Place-Name Elements' (PCA). Petitions for both name and device are included. [ Ekwall s.n. 'Smethwick' dates 'Smethewyk' to 1331 and 'Smethewic' to 1221 with a meaning of 'the smiths' dwelling'. Bardsley s.n. 'Smithwick, Smedick' dates 'de Smethwyk' to 1311 and 'Smiththicke' to 1621. Reaney & Wilson s.n. 'Smithwick' dates 'de Smithewyk' to 1327. Julian Goodwyn's 'Brass Enscription Index' ( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/ ) dates the spelling 'Smith' to 1525. For '-wick', Bardsley s.n. 'Warwick' dates 'Richard Warwick' to 1601. ]

33 Uther McDermot (M) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Returned

Sable, a bear passant argent.

No major changes. Cares most about "Ireland" language/culture. No documentation is provided.

Submitted as Uther McDthermot. We are entirely unable to do an Irish language/culture for him.

The name Uther is found in Sir Thomas Mallory's Le Morte d'Arthur as the name of Arthur's father. As such, is is a literary name known in English. Precedent allows registration of Arthurian names: Current precedent is to accept the names of significant characters from period Arthurian literature as there is a pattern of such names being used in England and France in period. (from the registration of Bedivere de Byron, 06/99, A-Atlantia).

Heather Rose Jones (SCA: Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn), in Fourteenth to Sixteenth Century Irish Names and Naming Practices: Names and Naming Practices in the Red Book of Ormond (Ireland 14th Century) (1999), found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/lateirish/ormond.html, lists 2 instances of "Dermot" as a given name in an Irish context. This article also lists several "Mc[name]" patronymics.

Gaelic/English is allowed as being a single step from period practice, so the name is registerable.

The armory is in conflict with the arms of Daniel Davidson ( April 1998, via Atlantia): 'Sable, a bear passant, a base indented argent.' with one CD for the removal of the base. It is also in conflict with the arms of Alan Silverbear (August 1979, via Caid): 'Sable, in base a polar bear statant proper.' with one CD for the unforced move. There is no CD between passant and statant.

34 Violet Coleson (F) - New Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Argent, on a roundel azure a mullet of six points argent and a bordure azure.

Submitter desires a name from 16th C. Scotland. Violet is from Aryanhwy merch Catmael's "Names of Women Mentioned in the Perth Guildry Book 1464-1598" ( http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/perth.html ), s.n. Violet. 13 Instances dated 1545-1587. Colson from Black, s.n. Colson, undated. R&W, s.n. Coleson cites a William Colesone, 1332; John Colson 1379, John Colleson, 1386.

35 Ysabeau de Lorigne (F) - New Name Forwarded

No major changes. Documentation from Academy of St. Gabriel Letter 2788, attached. The letter says that Ysabeau is recorded many times in many forms. The desired form is dated to 1537 in Tangwystyl's article "Given Names from Brittany 1384-1600" on the Gabriel site. ( The article is available on the Laurel site as well, at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/latebreton.html ) Lorigne is given as a documented form of a name from 1326 in Dauzat & Rostaing's Dictionnaire Etymologique des Noms de Lieux de la France under the header "Lorges, Lorgues, Loriges".

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