Lewis Tanzos

19 September 2004

Unto the East Kingdom College of Heralds and all others who do receive this letter, greetings from Tanczos Istvan, no longer Eastern Crown Herald!

This LoD contains decisions based on the ILoI issued on 1 August 2004 which had 20 numbered items. Commentary was received from: Cnute, Margaret Holmwood, Istvan, The Moline Junior High School of Heralds ( Yosef Alaric, Moline Herald; Aceline Barrett of Seven Oaks, Leviathan Persuivant; and Maria Alegreza di Nicoletti, Deputy Leviathan ), Aryanhwy merch Catmael, Shauna, Ailis Mac an Toisich, Arval Benicoeur, Meradudd Cethin, and Gwalchmai ap Talan.

This is the last letter I will be deciding as Eastern Crown. It's been a long three years, and I look forward to my retirement from this position. I believe I'm leaving the office in capable hands with Eldrich Gaiman. I hope you all give him more support and assistance than you've given me. No, I'm not saying I didn't get enough, I'm saying that too much is just about right.

Thank you all one last time for the hard work you all have done during my tenure!

In service,


1 Aaron the Arrowsmith (M) - New Primary Name Forwarded

No major changes. Submitter desires sound 'Aaron the Arrowsmith'. Aaron from Withycombe, s.n. Aaron, form dated to 1199. Arrowsmith is a header in R&W, p 14, 'Aruesmuth' dated to 1278.

The full citation from R&W, under the header 'Arrowsmith, Arsmith, Harrismith, Harrowsmith', reads "Roger le Aruesmuth 1278 AssSt; William le Arwesmyth 1324 FFEss; Richard Arsmith Eliz Bardsley. OE arwe 'arrow' and smith. A smith who makes arrows, especially iron arrow-heads (1278 MED). Harrismith and Harrowsmith are rare but appear side by side with Arrowsmith in Yorks and Lancs."

2 Alys Mackyntoich (F) - New Primary Name Change Forwarded
Old name: Ailis Catriona Mac an Toisich

For Alys: Alicia is in Gwynek's A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/scottishfem.html ) . The dates are Alicia (1250, 1374) and Alycie (1280). It also shows an Alesone, a variant of Alison (1492). Also, variants appear in http://www.thepeerage.com (attached), Alice Comyn (c1296-1349), Alice Erskine (born c 1290), Alice Mac Donnell (born c. 1540). Withycombe under the header 'Alice' we have "Alys 15th C Brut." Given that Alycie was used in Scotland and 'Alys' was a common English spelling of the same name, the submitter argues that it would not be implausible for it to be used as a female Scots name in the latter half of period. Alys can be documented from R&W, s.n. Motley, gives an Alys in 1525, s.n. Alis gives an Alis in 1214, Dambell gives an Alis in 1327. Julian Goodwyn's English Names Found in Brass Enscriptions gives an Alys in 1503. Mari's Names and Naming Practices in the Registers of the Church of St. Mary's, Dymock gives Alys (1538/9), Allys (1565), Alis (1539) and Alyce (1438/9). Mackyntoich is in Black, s.n. Macintosh. The submitted spelling can be found dated to 1468. Other dated forms: Makintoch 1597, McKintoch 1477, Mackintoche 1472, etc. Note that combining English and Gaelic is only one weirdness, as per the decision on Ian MacHenrik on the 10/99 LoAR. If the name cannot be passed, the submitter would like the 'Catriona' to be dropped from her current name, so she's "Ailis Mac an Toisich", which is grandfathered to her. Her current name was passed in May 1990, via the East. Her old name is to be released if this one passes.

The name is English and Scots combined, not English and Gaelic, and is registerable with no weirdness.

3 Alys Mackyntoich (F) - New Alternate Name Forwarded
Submitted Name: Alays de Brantôme

No major changes. Alays from Aryanhwy's Feminine Names from Périgueux, 1339-1340 ( http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/perigueux.html ). Brantôme from Dauzat & Rostaing's Dictionnaire etymologique des noms de lieux en France, p 111. Brantôme is a town on Dordogne (SW France), formerly the Duchy of Aquitaine. It is also in Dauzaunder s.n. Branthomme. There is also a web page printout from www.britannica.com which details one Pierre de Brantôme, born c 1540, died 1614. His full name is apparently 'Pierre de Bourdeille, Abbé Et Seigneu'.

The surname may need to be 'Brantosme', since the modern circumflex indicates that the word used to have an 's' in it, but that adjustment can be made at Laurel, if necessary.

4 Dag Alreksson (M) - New Primary Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded.

Argent, on a fess between three eagles jambes gules a boar's head couped argent.

Submitter prefers meaning 'Dag sone of Alrek' and 9-12th century Viking/Norse language/culture. Submitter desires the submitted name to mean 'Dag, son of Alrek'. Client would prefer 'Dag' as the first name, if possible. Dagr is from Geirr Bassi, p 9. Alrek from same, p 7.

Submitted as Dagr Alreksson, the submitter requested the personal name Dag if at all possible. Lind, E. H. Norsk-Isländska Dopnamn ock Fingerade Namm från Medeltiden , has on column 193, under Dagr, the name 'Dag Sæbiornær', in 1317. Further down, there's a 'Dag Olafson', in 1367. Column 194 has a 'Dag presti' in 1318.

Since we're working with Lind, the same has 'Alrekr' as a header spelling. There's an 'Alrekr Raps' dated from the Landnamabok, which is early 13th century. W.

5 Gareth Grey de Wilton (M) - New Primary Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Argent, on a bend sinister cotised vert three latin crosses palewise argent and overall a bordure counterchanged.

Gareth is from http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/gareth.shtml . Gray from R&W, header form, dated forms include le Gray, le Grey dated to 1296. It is also from http://www.compapp.dcu.ie/~humphrys/FamTree/Herbert/2nd.earl.html . Wilton (West of Salisbury, England) is documented from http://www.bartelby.com/65/wi/WiltonEng.html and http://www.compapp.dcu.ie/~humphrys/FamTree/Herbert/wilton.html . No copies of any of the documentation are attached.

Note that Gareth was invented in the 1400's by Thomas Mallory for his Morte d'Arthur and first used for a real person in 1593, within period. 'Wilton' is also found as a header form in A.D. Mills, Dictionary of English Place Names (New York: Oxford University Press 1998) dated to 1086 and, in the form Wulton to 1227.

We are blazoning this with the bend as a primary because SCA practice says that a central ordinary is always the primary charge. Because of this, the bordure must be blazoned as counterchanged over the ordinary, a practice which previous Laurel rulings have stated that there is no period evidence for. It is, however, only a single step from period practice.

6 Griffyn Cleisiog ap Madoc - New Badge Returned

(Fieldless) A griffin segreant azure armed argent.

Conflict with Theodelinda of Wenlock ( September 1989, via Meridies): (Fieldless) A male griffin queue forchy rampant azure, maintaining a fountain. and Brendan McEwen ( December 1996, via Ansteorra): Per fess argent and gules, a griffin segreant azure. In each case, there is only a single CD for the lack of field.

7 Gwenhwyfar Dinas Emrys - New Device Forwarded

Or, a brown stag statant proper, on a chief vert three oak sprigs Or.

8 Gwenllian Anwyl (F) - New Primary Name Forwarded

Submitter desires a name meaning 'Beloved Gwenllian' and wants the name changed to be Welsh language/culture. The documentation reads: A Welsh Miscellany, The Complete Anachronist #66, Jones, p31. Anwylyd - http://oldweb.cs.cf.ac.uk/fun/welsh/LexiconEW_main.html A copy of the latter is attached, it does indeed translate 'annwyl' or 'anwyl-' as 'beloved'.

Submitted as 'Gwenllian Anwylyd' The actual Welsh form of the surname appears in Morgan & Morgan . Under the header 'Annwyl, Anwyl', we find Anwyl, 985-1215, Anwyll 1406, anwyl 1406, Anwill 1406. CA#66, A Welsh Miscellaney also has the form without the yd, on page 32. The given name is in CA#66 on page 31.

9 Jehanne Urchurdan (F) - Appeal Household Name Forwarded
Submitted Name: Sea Dragon Keep

No changes. This is an appeal of a May 24, 2004 return. The OED compact edition, page 2692 dated "Sea Dragon" to 1551. There is a Laurel Precedent regarding 'keep', which states 'keep is the designator here' in a ruling on a household name. (See 'Seeker's Keep', Sept 1992, http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/HouseholdGuildNames.html ). There is nothing else. This will be returned for several reasons. First, the paperwork is not properly filled out -- among other issues, the submitter did not sign the form and the 'Date Returned' is listed as 24 May, 2004. The actual return was done on the 2003-July-10 LoR, dated 15 September 2003. The appeal also does not address the reason for return: there was no documentation found that this household name fits the allowable pattern for household names. The Administrative Handbook says: All appeals must be supported by new documentation, other proof that the original submission was returned in error, or by compelling evidence that the submission was not properly considered at the time of return. Nothing that could be construed as fitting any of the requirements is attached. (Note that Laurel, when contacted, pointed out that the AH, section IV.C, requires that paperwork be complete for all submissions, including appeals, and kingdom is fully justified in returning this incomplete appeal for lack of completed paperwork.)

Laurel is of the opinion that improperly filed appeals can be returned at kingdom for not meeting the requirements in the Admin Handbook, but she was unclear in her statement.

Therefore: The East Kingdom is sending this to Laurel, but we are definitely not supporting it. This is not a properly filed appeal. The additional documentation, which documents the use of 'keep' in household names, in no way addresses the full original reason for return, which was that there was no evidence presented that the household name matches the naming practices of groups of people in period. Since there is no evidence of any of the types required for an appeal, Laurel may decide to return this on procedural grounds alone.

Note also that we tried to find documentation for fortifications, castles, etc. named after heraldic charges and/or fantastical beasts. None could be found. Yes, inns can be named in this fashion. A 'keep' is not an inn.

10 Kolskeggr inn rammi (M) - New Primary Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Gules, on a pall between three gouttes argent a cross formy gules.

Submitter desires a name meaning 'blackbeard the strong', authenticity for the 9-12th century viking language/culture. Kolskeggr from Geirr Bassi p 13. in rammi from same, p 26.

One commenter asked if Kolskeggr is actually a given name. Yes, it is.

11 Lillian atte Valeye (F) - New Primary Name Forwarded

No major changes. The submitter desires the meaning 'of the valley'. Lillian is from Withycombe s.n. Lionel, dated to the 16 th century. atte Valeye from Reaney & Wilson, s.n. Valley, dated to 1346.

The submitting herald goofed. Lillian is under 'Lil(l)ian, Lil(l)ias, Lily, Lilla(h)' not 'Lionel' as claimed on the form. It says that "Lillian" is found as a christian name in England in the 16th C.

12 Mary Theophania Hunn (F) - New Primary Name Forwarded

No major changes. The submitter will allow the middle name to be shortened to 'Theo'. Mary from Withycombe, p 200-202. Theophania from same, p 265. Hunn from R&W, p 244.

One thing that we don't have on the Letter of Intent is dates.

Withycombe, s.n. Mary: "Mary is first found as a christian name in England at the end of the 12th C; the diminutive Mariot is found about the same time; its use increased slowly during the next three centuries, Mary, Mariot, Marion and the nicknames Mall and Moll becoming moderately common." Specifically, it gives a 'Mary Prompt Parv' in c. 1440.

Withycombe s.n. Theophania dates Theophania to 1205.

Reaney & Wilson , header 'Hunn' cites Robertus filius Hunne 1155, Robert, Elwin Hunne 1166, Robert le Hunne 1277.

13 Maximilian Gunn - Resub to Kingdom Device Returned

Sable, in pale a heart and a chain of three links the center one broken to base within a bordure argent.

His original device, Sable, in pale a heart and a chain of three links, the middle link fracted to base argent. , was returned at kingdom from the 2003-July-10 ILoI. It conflicts with Solondra Carryl (December 1983, via Meridies): Sable, a heart argent. with a single CD for the addition of the chain. The new submission has added the bordure.

Unfortunately, this is not simple under the Rules for Submission, section X.2. As such, it does not clear through complete change of primary. Due to this, it is in conflict with Curteis Svartsélingr (December 1994,via Trimaris): Sable, in pale a double-bitted axe and a Thor's hammer within a bordure argent. and Antoinette Joaliere (July 2003, via Atenveldt): Sable, two roses in pale and a bordure argent.. In each case, there is only one CD for the change in type of the primary charge group.

14 Rónán Maeblach (M) - New Primary Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Azure, a lynx combatant argent a chief rayonny Or.

Rónán from '100 most popular names in Early Medieval Ireland' from sca.org. Sharpe is from 'Manx Names in the Early 16th Century' ( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/jonesmanx16.html ). Lynceus: the submitter gives evidence that descriptive names were used in period in Ireland: OCM p 122, sn.n Liber, dated to 620. The word Lynceus is found in >The First Hypertext Edition of the Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, by Brewer, at http://kenji.ac.kr/my/references/phrase/data/758.html , which claims that somebody from fable (either Perseus' grandfather or grandson, from what I've been able to find elsewhere), 'was so sharp sighted he could see through the Earth'. The submitter says it means 'lynx-eyed'.

Submitted as Rónán Sharpe Lynceus, the submitter has decided to change the name to the above. Mari's Index of Names in Irish Annals ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Ronan.shtml) has no less than 34 dated instances of the name Rónán, stretching from 590 to 1117.

The same source, at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Meablach.shtml has Maeblach in 1348/1363. It means 'treacherous', and should be in the nominative, not the genitive, because it's not intended to mean 'of the crafty'.

15 Sebastian Estevan de Xavier - Resub to Kingdom Device Forwarded

Per chevron gules and argent, two fetterlocks argent and a lymphad sable.

His original device, Per chevron gules and argent, two fetterlocks linked by a chain argent and a lymphad sable., was returned at kingdom from the 2004-May-03 LoI for having three types of charge in the same charge group (fetterlocks, chain, lymphad). The resubmission has removed the chain.

This change obviously fixes the problem that the previous submission had.

16 Smoking Rocks, Barony of - New Order Name Forwarded & New Badge Returned
Submitted Name: Order of the Leviathan

Argent, a sperm whale naiant sable

No major changes. OED Compact Edition p 1610 gives 'Leviathan: an aquatic animal of enormous size'. Dated forms are leuyethan 1382, levyathan 1447, leuiathan 1535. Note that 'Leviathan Pursuivant' is already registered to Smoking Rocks. A valid petition for both is attached, but no demonstration that this fits the allowable patterns for order names.

The pattern conforms to Order of 'Creatures both fantastic and real' ala Order of the Unicorn, Dragon, Salamander, etc, taken from Project Ordensnamen http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/ . Yes, we're going from pursuivant title to order name, but that's OK because it's being documented separately, it's not just being based on the order name.

The device conflicts with that of André of Stormhold ( October 1998, via Lochac): Argent, a whale naiant azure with but one CD for the color of the primary. The grandfather clause does not apply here, as the barony's armory is clear of André's.

17 Smoking Rocks, Barony of - New Order Name Forwarded & New Badge Returned
Submitted Name: Order of the Quadrant

(Fieldless) A quadrant Or

No major changes. OED Compact Edition p 2379 gives 'Quadrant: an instrument, properly having the form of a graduated quarter circle, used for making angular measurements, esp. for taking altitude in astronomy and navigation.'. The dated form is 'quadrant' in 1400. A valid petition for both is attached.

The pattern, also from Project Ordensnamen http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/ , is that of things, such as Garter, Sword, Scale, etc.

The badge conflicts with Christoforo Antonio Passavanti (December 2000, via Ansteorra): "Sable, a quadrant Or." There is only one CD for the fieldlessness.

18 Smoking Rocks, Barony of - New Order Name Pended
Submitted Name: Companions of the Rock

No major changes. OED Compact Edition p 2563 gives 'Rock: a large rugged mass of stone' and 'something which affords a sure foundation or support.'. The dated forms are 'rokke' 13??, rocke 1400, and rocks 1560 . A valid petition is attached, but no demonstration that this fits the allowable patterns for order names.

This order name is in conflict with the Award of the Rocke of Seagirt. (May 2004, via An Tir). 'Award' and 'Companions' are designators for purposes of RfS V.2.a, and Seagirt is the branch name. The remaining descriptive elements are 'Rocke' versus 'Rock', clearly a conflict. Seagirt can give permission to conflict in this case, because permission is allowed to clear a conflict in the presence of a group designator. Seagirt has been contacted, but has not yet given permission to conflict. We are pending this name until we get a final response from Seagirt.

19 Smoking Rocks, Barony of - New Order Name Forwarded
Submitted Name: Order of the Lodestone

No major changes. OED Compact Edition p 1465 gives 'Lodestone magnetic oxide of iron ... used as a magnet' and 'something which attracts.'. The dated forms are 'lodysshestone' 1515 and lodestone 1548. A valid petition is attached.

There's a question as to whether 'Order of the [mineral]' is a legitimate form. One commenter seems to recall that the stones were also called lodestones, as a physical object, and would fit the pattern for things (such as Garter, Sword, Scale) taken from Project Ordensnamen http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/

20 Thomas Wormwood (M) - New Primary Name Forwarded & New Device Forwarded

Per bend sinister argent and azure, a brown hawk stooping to sinister proper, beaked and taloned Or.

No major changes. Withycombe p 279-80 s.n. Thomas lists Thomas 1086, 1199-1220, 1273; Thome 1379; and Tom 1379. The desired spelling can be found in R&W, s.n. Thomas, which gives one Hugo Thomas 1317. Wormwood is a constructed surname composed of the elements 'wyrm', meaning 'snake' or 'dragon' and 'wudu', meaning wood. Ekwall s.n. 'Wormwood scrubbs' has dated forms of 'Wermeholte 1200 and Wrmehold 1290. Sometime between then and now, the original name was translated into English and the 'Scrubbs' added. The meaning given is 'wood infested with snakes'. Ekwall under Wormhill lists Wurmhill, 1185, Wurmehill 1227. s.n. Worminghall gives urmehal 1163, Wirmehale 1229. Wormington gives Wermetun DB, Wirmiton 1200, Worminton 1220, Wurminton 1236. Wormley gives Wurmeleá c 1060, Wermelai DB. Lastly, Wormsley gives Wermeslai DB and Wurmesleys 1242. Smith's English Place Name Elements, v2, p280, gives several names in which 'wudu' is combined with an animal name. '(v) Animal names, as Harewood He, YW( hara), Oxenwood , Oxwood Hrt(oxa)'. Ekwall s.n. Harewood lists Harewuda 1138, 1188; Harewood 1352; Hareuuode DB and Harewod 1209. Under s.n. Cawood ('Jackdaw Wood') gives Kawode c1225, c1250; Cawuda c972, c1030, and Cawude 1184.

Submitted as Tomas Wormwood, we have changed the spelling to match the documentation.