Tanczos Istvan
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23 October, 2001

Greetings and Commendations unto the Heralds and Pursuivants of the East Kingdom and others who receive this letter from Tanczos Istvan, Eastern Crown Herald

This is the Letter of Report (LoR) on the East's Internal Letter of Intent (ILoI) 2001-03. Accepted submissions listed in this letter will be sent to Blue Tyger Herald, to be included in an External Letter of Intent (XLoI) to Laurel and the College of Arms.

In Service,

Istvan Eastern Crown

Clear of Caol of Bannockburn: Vert, two seahorses combattant argent, maintaining between them a staff topped by a harp Or. with one CD for the color of the primary charges and one for the addition of the secondary (the staff and harp is a maintained charge, as the blazon says, and does not count for difference.)

registered name is Catriona Mairgret nic Dhuibh of Moray

Ó Corráin & Maguire lists "Caitríona" as a variant of "Caiterína" (s.n. "Caiterína", p 45), a borrowing from"Catherine", the name of a virgin-martyr of Alexandria (+307), and states that "Caiterína" was well-established among the Irish aristocracy by the fifteenth century. MacLysaght lists "Mac Duff" as the name of a Scottish clan found in Ulster (p 92).

MacDuff: R.R. MacIan, Clans of Scotland, p. 105, also makes the reference to MacDuff overthrowing Macbeth in 1086

This is not in conflict with Catriona nic Dhuibh, registered in 1993, because that name is also an alternate name for Catriona Mairgret nic Dhuibh of Moray. Submitter should be informed that Catrina is also a valid Scots form, so Catrina MacDuff would be a much better Scots name (and pronounced the same when Catriona is pronounced correctly).

Dauzat lists "Chardon" under "Chardet, -din+, -dot" (p 111), as a possible apheresis of "Richardon", or representing the plant "chardon" (thistle). "Richardon", in turn, is a diminutive of "Richard" (s.n. "Richard", p 520).

For matching the pattern of feminization of male given names, the 1292 Census (of Paris) has Alain and Alainne, Antoine and Antoinne, Ascelin and Ascelinne, Galien and Galienne.

Reaney and Wilson, under Lyon, have William Lyon , 1327; Azor de Lions. 1159; and Henry de Lyons 1296 so this is a registerable, though undocumented spelling variant.

This may or may not be too naturalistic a depiction of a dandelion. Commentary was received favoring both viewpoints. Laurel gets to decide on this one.

In passing this, we note the arms of Raimund of the Strait: (Fieldless) A dandelion of four flowers and four leaves proper. There is a CD for fieldlessness, but Laurel in the past has refused to grant CD's for difference in number of flowers -- on the LoAR of 10/90 p14 with respect to thistles -- so there may or may not be a CD for the depiction of the dandelion. The new submission also has a different number of leaves, which may or may not be significant. Laurel gets to make this call.

Eibhlin - Ó Corráin and Maguire, pg. 84, s.n. Eibhlín, states that the name was brought to Ireland by the Normans and it was used by the wife of the Earl of Ulster in 1271 (although probably in the form of Evelina or Evelyn). The use of accents is optional so long as either all accents are used or no accents are used.

Macewan - Black, pg. 491, s.n Macewan, lists the name as a header form and dates mac Ewen in 1174.

Kynblathmund - Black, pg. 491, s.n Macewan, states that Gilpatrick mac Ewan "was one of the perambulators of the lands of Kynblathmund" in 1219.

The use of a Gaelic spelling of a given name with Scots spellings of the bynames (and an overall Scots construction) is a weirdness but nevertheless still registerable. The more authentic Gaelic form would be Eibhlín ingen Eoghain, which probably conflicts with Eibhlín MacEogan, registered October 2000. We haven't found a Scots form of Evelyn (or Eileen), but something like Avelin Macewan of Kynblathmund would be a possible Scots form of the name.

The device is in exact conflict with Adelicia Tagliaferro (10/83, Ansteorra) Gules, an owl Or. It also conflicts with her badge (09/94, Ansteorra) [Fieldless] an owl Or.

Some possible redesign suggestions (checked for conflict): Or, an owl gules., Per fess (or per chevron) gules and Or, three owls counterchanged., Gules billety argent (or Or), three owls Or., Gules, a fess checky azure and Or between three owls Or., <Field> billety argent (or Or), an owl Or [where <field> can be anything (stylistically legal) except gules].

These are suggestions using concepts found commonly in Foster (his name is pre-heraldic Irish, so 13th century England, being a core style, is a good as any), but less so in SCA armory.

The newt is 'statant', which implies 'fesswise'.

Note that the submitter's name was accepted as "Santiago Pescador"

Jonathan - Withycombe 3rd. ed. dates the form Jonathus to 1213. Even better, the article "Names in Chesham, 1538-1600/1" dates Jonathan to 1599.

Reaney & Wilson s.n. Dover have <de Doure> 1086, <de Dover> 1223-4, <Douer> 1332.

Dover - In particular, Reaney and Wilson, s.n. Dover, lists a John de Dover in 1223. The use of a preposition in an otherwise late period name is highly unusual, but registerable.

Submitter's device, Quarterly azure and argent, a chalice between in bend two compass stars counterchanged., which was pended, will be forwarded to Laurel with the name.

The oak leaves should be blazoned as conjoined in chevron inverted. The oak leaves have to be distorted in order for this form of fimbriation to work, which violates the standards set by Bruce in November 1992 (see http://sca.org/heraldry/bruce/fimbriation.html#fimbriation).

Calling it a charged leaf does not solve the problem - a charged leaf would be drawn quite differently. It is also in conflict with Alen Elegil; Two holly leaves stems in saltire vert.Current precedent (dating back to December 1993) indicates that there is not a difference between the two charges (holly and oak leaves). The difference between stems in saltire and conjoined in chevron inverted is not likely to be worth difference.

For redesign, we found no conflicts with Purpure, two oak leaves conjoined in chevron inverted. The closest qw found was Angelina Foljambe, Azure, two maple leaves in chevron inverted, conjoined at the stems argent. The same Laurel that declared no difference between a holly leaf and an oak leaf did give difference between an oak leaf and a maple leaf. The style is registerable, although the arrangement is highly atypical for period armory. Unfortunately, Purpure, three oak leaves argent has a conflict, as does Argent, three oak leaves vert.

One suggestion that gets both the purple field and the green leaves is Purpure, on a chief argent three oak leaves vert (or, less authentically, Purpure, on a chief argent two oak leaves conjoined in chevron inverted vert) looks clear. Alternatively, something like Checky purpure and argent, two oak leaves conjoined in chevron inverted vert would probably be the closest to the original design that is stylistically legal. It still conflicts with Alen, so some other change would be needed as well.

Black, pg. 538, s.n. MacLeod, states that the Gaelic form, MacLeoid, means "son of Leod", where Leod is a variant of the Norse name Ljotr. This implies that Leod is a male given name, dating to at least the earliest citation of the patronymic (about 13th century). Ljotr also appears in Geirr-Bassi, with the cited meaning of "ugly".

Ainmean Chloinne, Scottish Gaelic Names for Children, by Peadar Morgan, dates Leòd "The name of a 10th century Earl of Orkney". Note the accent.

In the article "Early Irish Feminine Names from the Index to O'Brien's Corpus Genealogiarum Hiberniae", Tangwystyl lists Dub as a descriptive byname used not necessarily by women.

Parker's Glossary defines "torqued" as bowed-embowed, especially of a serpent's tail. He cites the arms of Bloore: "Vert, a serpent bowed embowed debruised, the head erect, the tail torqued or" (p 530). "Debruised", in this case, refers to the snake crossing itself. Unfortunately, there is no emblazon to match.

This (torqued) is not the actual posture of the emblazon. Since we can not blazon this in standard heraldic terms, it must be returned.

As noted on the ILoI, the badge as submitted, being fieldless, has two violations of fieldless style (VIII.5), because both the bordure and the bendlets depend on the field to define their shape. While we cannot "blazon our way out of a conflict", we can blazon our way out of a style problem. The reblazon should cover that, by replacing the bordure with an annulet, and allowing the annulet to determine the ends of the bendlets.

The badge is obviously intended to be reminiscent of their registered arms (9604), Argent, three bendlets wavy azure overall a laurel wreath vert.

Everything should be drawn much wider.

This device will conflict with anything of the form Argent, a wolf [tincture]. Surprisingly, there is no armory that matches this, and the device appears otherwise clear.

Compare to Dubhghall mac Ébhearáird (9703), Argent, a wolf rampant and in chief two roundels sable. One CD for the tincture of the primary charge, one CD for the addition of the secondaries. Two CDs: Clear.

Compare to Ulrich der Geschwinde von Augsburg (8402), Argent, a wolf rampant maintaining in its dexter forepaw a sword sable, hilted Or, within a bordure quarterly gules and sable. One CD for the tincture of 1/2 of the primary charge, no CD for the maintained sword, one CD for the addition of the secondary charge. Two CDs: Clear.

Based on the original return, we checked heraldic dolphins as well as other types of fish.

Compare to Estariana Northolm (8101), Or, a dolphin haurient sable within a bordure engrailed vert. One CD for the tincture of 1/2 of the primary charge, one CD for the tincture of the secondary charge, one CD for the line treatment of the secondary charge. Three CDs: Clear.

Compare to Odd Grimsson (9303), Or, a dolphin naiant vert within a bordure counter-compony vert and Or. One CD for the tincture of the primary charge, one CD for the orientation of the primary charge, one CD for the tincture of the secondary charge. Three CDs: Clear.

No conflicts found.

The tau cross in this submission differs only slightly from that depicted in the Pictorial Dictionary, which can be credited to artistic license.

Compare to Bronwen Elvina ní hOdhrin (8312), Gules, a tau cross within a bordure nebuly argent. One CD for the tincture of the primary charge, one CD for the addition/removal of the secondary charge, one CD for the addition/removal of the tertiary charge (X.4.i). Three CDs: Clear.

Compare to Dimitrii Sviatoslav Varulovich Polynov (9206), Gules, a tau cross within on orle nine mascles Or. One CD for the addition/removal of the secondary charge, one CD for the addition/removal of the tertiary charge (X.4.i). Two CDs: Clear.

We found no conflicts.

primary name is Qutudei Ba'arin, which was accepted on East's 2001-02-ILoI.

One will need to check de Felice to see what it actually says about the name. To our surprise, we failed to find it in the online Italian names articles. eb.com is the online Encyclopaedia Britannica. we found the name in the article on Italian Literature (http://search.eb.com/bol/topic?eu=109514&sctn=1). The Online Catasto also dates Manetti to 1427.

Sebastiano: period reference, Sebastiano Carcano, listed among eight students of Italian dancemaster Cesare Negri who performed a dance on

December 8, 1598 as described in Negri's Le Gratie d'Amore (Milan, 1602.)

Primary name is Uther Shieldbreaker, registered 09/91 via the East